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Randall Hayes's avatar

Thanks for this. I've been out of the game for a long time now and it's nice to read non-jargony discussion of the issues.

"Statements like these exasperate me—how self-important and entitled are some of these AI researchers, to claim the right to make decisions for so many people in the rest of the world?"

More on that 'rest of the world' here.

https://benzhouworld.substack.com/p/the-discipline-that-forgot-why-it

Roy Xing's avatar

That was a really interesting read! Thank you for writing!

I’m a roboticist who has wandered a little bit away from my usual home, but I can deeply relate to the ever growing overlap and encroaching of AI on your field. Though I’d wish AI people would stop trying to rename our field of robotics as “Physical AI” without our permission.

I have a question that might be silly, so forgive me if it is. But I was really interested in this part of your article,

“That is, there seem to be many parallels between representation learning tasks in artificial neural networks and the brain. There are somewhat fewer in behavioral tasks, or at least, the results are less cleanly matched.”

As a roboticist I’m interested in intelligent systems, not of the super-mind type, but of the low level controlling a body type. What are some resources I could look to to understand this above quote? Are you saying that humans and animals don’t necessarily learn a model representation of ourselves and the environment? Or that we more just think of objective functions and move our body to maximize reward?

I’ve been getting really curious into cogsci and neurosci motor learning lately. I noticed in the past there was some work that crossed between robotics and motor learning via optimal control. Now I see some with RL. But those papers always felt like it was applying OC or RL to try to blanket explain why we move our bodies. Are there works that more try to explain how we move than why? Like a from first principles of motor learning rather than “here’s a theory that might explain it abstractly, but not concretely?”

Thank you! I’m looking forward to reading more of your work and personally trying to be a bit of a dilettante in neurosci/cogsci!

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